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"Pay the Motorist $100" when a NYC Parking Ticket is Dismissed

 

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If Assembly member, Michael DenDekker's Bill is passed by the NY State Assembly, four (4) powerful words will ring out in NYC parking ticket courts across the five (5) boroughs every time  a parking ticket is dismissed because of an error by a warrior. "Pay the motorist $100."

Here's the current language of the Bill, which has been referred to the Transportation Committee:

" AN ACT to amend the administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to an erroneously issued parking violation summons

Section 1. Section 19-207 of the administrative code of the city of New York is amended by adding a new subdivision c to read as follows:
"WHERE THE HEARING OFFICER DETERMINES THAT A PARKING VIOLATION SUMMONS WAS ERRONEOUSLY ISSUED DUE TO NO FAULT OF THE PERSON RECEIVING SUCH SUMMONS AND IS DISMISSED BECAUSE THE DRIVER DID NOT VIOLATE ANY LAW, THE COURT SHALL ISSUE A ONE HUNDRED DOLLAR PAYMENT TO THE PERSON WHO WAS ISSUED THE TICKET."

According to statistics quoted by Assembly member DenDekker, 14.7% of all parking tickets were dismissed, and 17% of all appeals were reversed in favor of the driving public.

The MEMO

A02153 Memo:

BILL NUMBER:A2153

TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the administrative code of the city of New York, in relation to an erroneously issued parking violation summons
PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF BILL: The purpose of this bill is to hold the City of New York accountable for erroneously issued parking violation summons by compensating motorists or vehicle owners when justified.
SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS: This bill will amend Section 19-207 of the administrative code of the City of New York by adding a new subdivision c to require a one hundred dollar payment to a motorist or vehicle owner when a hearing officer determines that a parking violation summons was erroneously issued due to no fault of the person receiving such summons and is dismissed
JUSTIFICATION: According to the Mayor's Management Report (MMR), published annually by the Mayor's Office of Operations (MOO), which provides descriptive statistics about parking fine-related activities, in FY 2008 14.7% of all issued parking violations were dismissed and 17.1% of parking ticket appeals granted reversal. Residents should not have to take off from work, take pictures, keep records and defend themselves repeatedly against erroneously issued parking violations without being compensated.

PRIOR LEGISLATIVE HISTORY: New Bill.

FISCAL IMPACT: Estimated cost to the City of New York $6,000,000

EFFECTIVE DATE: This act shall take effect on the sixtieth day after it shall become law.

Here is an article from yesterday's New York Daily News on the erroneous parking ticket penalty bill, which you may find interesting.

Commentary:

Bravo to Assembly member DenDekker for his passionate response to a serious challenge facing the NYC driving public every day. I love reading the Bill's Memo. It identifies a major challenge, and offers a solution based upon accountability.

In my humble opinion, in its present form, by targeting "mistakes," and potentially exposing NYC to $6M worth of liability, this Bill will never see the light of day. Does the DenDekker Bill reward a  person $100 who parks next to a fire hydrant, but whose ticket is dismissed because a parking ticket warrior entered the wrong place of occurrence by mistake? Or does the Bill exclude all parking tickets that are dismissed because of omitted, misdescribed, or illegible required elements?

How would the Bill deal with parking tickets that are dismissed because a defense to a violation was properly proved? For example, if a member of the driving public is charged with a No Standing violation, presents the proper proof that he/she stopped temporarily to discharge a passenger, and persuades a judge to dismiss the parking ticket. Is this member of the driving public awarded $100?

I would approach a solution from a different angle. First, I would start performance reviews, based on the numbers. if a warrior's performance in issuing parking tickets that stick falls below a certain level, he/she is terminated. Get rid of the badly behaved, or incompetent warriors. For example, if a warrior issues 200 parking tickets, and some unacceptable percentage of those tickets are dismissed, the warrior's performance is unacceptable. The warrior should be terminated.

Second, initiate a real effort to target warriors that participate in parking ticket scams. For example, warriors are still issuing illegal, $165 parking tickets for blocking legal pedestrian ramps. The rogue warrior's signature appears at the bottom of the parking ticket. Either the warrior disregarded the rule, and knowingly issued a bogus parking ticket; or didn't know the law. Either way, the warrior should be terminated immediately.

The parking ticket and tow scam. A unsuspecting member of the driving public parks their vehicle in a legal parking space overnight. The next morning the car is gone. A warrior issues a parking ticket BUT, inserts a different, illegal, place of occurrence. Shame on the warrior. The name of the warrior appears on the parking ticket. Terminated!

Track the parking tickets, and hold warriors accountable for participating in scams, not knowing the rules, or making too many mistakes by terminating the laggards.

Get rid of the bottom X percent of bad or incompetent warriors. I agree with Assembly member DenDekker's wonderful goal. I would approach it from a different angle.

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How about you? Would you keep it simple, and strike at NYC's wallet to make your point? Any thoughts? Please share them. Your ideas are important to all of us.

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Comments

Larry - You are right on both accounts. The $100 bill will never get passed and the warrior needs to be held accountable for his actions. I would take it beyond termination, because a warrior is only a warrior, because that is the only job that he was able to get, so losing it would not be a shock to a warrior's system. Personally, I think the NYPD should do the job that they are sworn to uphold and charge the warrior with filing a false report, for every single ticket that is proven to be bogus. Likewise, if a warrior yields greater than a 10% dismissal rate on his tickets, he should fired and all of his tickets should be audited by the Poloce. From there I am sure that a bigger criminal case can be built against the warrior. Holding the warriors personally responsible, is the only way to end this game they play. Another good idea is to have a real police officer in charge of a squad of warriors, instead of the warriors leading their own people. Why? The warriors only cover for each other. The cop who would be in charge of the warriors, would be more worried about his job and making sure the warriors are as honest as possible, would be the only way the cop can be assured to keep his job.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 02, 2011 8:50 AM by Josh
Josh, 
Always great to hear from you. You present some really terrific ideas. I agree with you 100% on personal accountability of warriors. Do you think the warriors should continue to be supervised by the police department? Or should another agency be in charge. 
 
I believe parking tickets are at the low end of the police totem pole; as well they should be. I'm thinking its time to bring them under the supervision of an agency that would make parking tickets/warrior supervision more of a priority. 
 
What do you think?
Posted @ Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:14 AM by Larry Berezin
<p>Larry,</p> 
 
 
 
<p>I agree whole-heartedly with the DenDekker underlying sentiments in his proposed bill. For a moment there I thought that the NYC rouge warrior Armageddon could be eminent. With the threat to city coffers making a tenuous bill passage to law, going one step further so rouge warrior involved had to foot the $100 bill would obviate that. </p> 
 
 
 
<p>Of course the real question is defining the rouge warriors. Those just doing their job, being human and just making honest mistakes must be protected, just like the honest public they must never be made victims. So wetting the weight pendulum to bias to swing the way may be well meaning, but potentially ugly. Exposing the soft underbelly of law abiding public could be too tempting to any rouge to swap sides and milk the system with $100 scams. And in the end where does it stop. Would that set president involving pecuniary penalty? E.g. Policing. </p> 
 
 
 
<p><img style="background-image: none; border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; display: inline; float: left; border-top: 0px; border-right: 0px; padding-top: 0px" title="image" border="0" alt="image" align="left" src="$image[2].png" width="198" height="240" />The Giuliani approach could work for zero tolerance on scams. And Larry I like the idea about bringing back <strong>Annie</strong> with that his big old <strong>Terminator</strong> gun to help too. I did like him in those suspended disbelief movies so much better than the <strong>Governator</strong> role he played that lead him to doing that long running <strong>Days of Our Lives</strong> series. Now he has left that show he could be up for a comeback.</p> 
 
 
 
<p>The best suggestion of all is your <strong>KPI</strong> approach. <strong>Six Sigma</strong> with black belts all that sounds like a fun. What I do like that most it has all the good aspects of performance management are built in and no real down side. Being transparent, it is balanced and collaborative reviews and alerts built-in make it a cake walk continuous improvement. The statistics you quote make it clear a good data base is there. To make that work Business Intelligence system to do the analysis let people see the information is al that is required. I night just have one in stock and I do know good consultant to advice on that too. </p> 
 
 
 
<p>So you see with your luminous amendments, to Michael DenDekker’s equally luminous initiative and knowing we have the ware- with- all everybody wins including the NYC the Warriors, the Public Annie and his followers and also my software company. Most of all you get all the glory for ideas. What a team eh? </p> 
 
 
 
<p>All jokes aside, seriously well done Larry for a truly great thinking piece.</p> 
 
 
 
<p>Cheers </p> 
 
 
 
<p>Gordon </p>
Posted @ Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:53 AM by Gordon Wood
Larry, 
 
 
 
I agree whole-heartedly with the DenDekker underlying sentiments in his proposed bill. For a moment there I thought that the NYC rouge warrior Armageddon could be eminent. With the threat to city coffers making a tenuous bill passage to law, going one step further so rouge warrior involved had to foot the $100 bill would obviate that.  
 
 
 
Of course the real question is defining the rouge warriors. Those just doing their job, being human and just making honest mistakes must be protected, just like the honest public they must never be made victims. So wetting the weight pendulum to bias to swing the way may be well meaning, but potentially ugly. Exposing the soft underbelly of law abiding public could be too tempting to any rouge to swap sides and milk the system with $100 scams. And in the end where does it stop. Would that set president involving pecuniary penalty? E.g. Policing.  
 
 
 
The Giuliani approach could work for zero tolerance on scams. And Larry I like the idea about bringing back Annie with that his big old Terminator gun to help too. I did like him in those suspended disbelief movies so much better than the Governator role he played that lead him to doing that long running Days of Our Lives series. Now he has left that show he could be up for a comeback. 
 
 
 
The best suggestion of all is your KPI approach. Six Sigma with black belts all that sounds like a fun. What I do like that most it has all the good aspects of performance management are built in and no real down side. Being transparent, it is balanced and collaborative reviews and alerts built-in make it a cake walk continuous improvement. The statistics you quote make it clear a good data base is there. To make that work Business Intelligence system to do the analysis let people see the information is al that is required. I night just have one in stock and I do know good consultant to advice on that too.  
 
 
 
So you see with your luminous amendments, to Michael DenDekker’s equally luminous initiative and knowing we have the ware- with- all everybody wins including the NYC the Warriors, the Public Annie and his followers and also my software company. Most of all you get all the glory for ideas. What a team eh?  
 
 
 
All jokes aside, seriously well done Larry for a truly great thinking piece. 
 
 
 
Cheers  
 
 
 
Gordon  
 
Posted @ Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:55 AM by Gordon Wood
Gordon, 
I am really honored to receive your kind comments in one of your areas of expertise. Thanks so much for your input. It means a lot be me, Gordon. 
 
I love your thoughts about not penalizing honest mistakes. With the proper performance based system, the numbers have a voice in the outcome. If a warrior commits too many "honest mistakes," Arnold takes over. 
 
If there are too many tickets that don't stick, especially ones associated with tows, Arnold takes over.  
 
Be well.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:35 AM by Larry Berezin
While the warriors wear the NYPD uniform, they are not really supervised by the NYPD. I think that Police Officers should be assigned to directly supervise the warriors. If you are not a police officer then you are not allowed to be more than a ticket writer or a traffic director. Sgt's and above, including tow truck operators, should all be Police Officers. You cannot have a warrior become a supervisor and expect him to forget his warrior ways. It is just not going to happen. Not only would the cop be the supervisor, but he would also be policing the warriors.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 02, 2011 10:47 AM by Josh
I am IN FAVOR and SUPPORT the proposed new bill from Assemblyman DenDekker...1000% - one thousand percents. 
 
 
 
I would like to suggest Mr. DenDekker includes a demand that the warrior MUST snap a digital picture of the vehicle being issued with the ticket. Since now every cell phones has a camera function. Or the scanner that the warrior uses should equipped with a digital camera function. Otherwise, the warrior can make a mistake on the plate# and end up the wrong person getting the ticket. Or the ticket warrior can ambush an out of state vehicle (NJ) - by just writing down the (Color, Make, Body Type, State); and those four elements are considered sufficient and charge the owner of the vehicle guilty. This is what happened to me. I never received the physical ticket, but received the Notice of Outstanding Summons in the mail. 
 
I fought that ticket by mail for 3-4 months and the rogue judges still found me guilty.
Posted @ Friday, March 04, 2011 3:50 PM by Tim
Tim, 
Great, super suggestion. There is legislation pending in NYC along the lines you suggest. 
 
I'll let you know when I hear any news.
Posted @ Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:29 PM by Larry Berezin
Larry, 
I hope that Mr. DenDekker will uses some of the ideas/suggestions that we have posted on this blog. Especially, when it comes to filling out the ticket completely and accurately; which includes (Make, Model, Body Type, Color, Exp. Date [Reg./Insp. date]. Out of state vehicles SHOULD NOT be discriminated in having those important required elements noted. Although (New Jersey) vehicles do not display their registration expiration on the windshield - BUT there is an Inspection Expiration date sticker with a bar code. Since ticket warriors are using scanner - they should be required to scan the bar code on the Inspection sticker. I believe the bar code contains information of the vehicle (Registration Exp., Inspection Exp., Plate #, VIN#, etc.) 
There should be NO MORE tickets being sent by mail to the vehicle owners. If the driving public that actually breaking the law and deserve the ticket, then the warrior should be able to scan the vehicle Reg./Insp. sticker and affix the ticket. Not that the rogue warrior stands half a block away and start entering the info of the vehicle and then walk up to the vehicle and affix the ticket. Or even mail the ticket or Notice of Outstanding Summons to your house. That's called "PLAYING SNEAKY".
Posted @ Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:42 PM by Tim
I agree with Tim and you (to a point). A photo would eliminate frivolous ticket fighting, and be proof when a ticket is issued incorrectly. But I also believe that motorists should be compensated for the time and effort spent fighting bogus tickets. While $100 might be too high for the lawmakers to approve, perhaps $50 would get through.  
Remember, the city only pays for wrongly issued tickets. So if they make sure their warriors do their job, then the city won't loose any money by this law.
Posted @ Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:28 AM by Lee
Lee, 
 
Well said. 
Great suggestion. 
 
I'm afraid this suggestion, and other similar suggestions, will never see the light of day.  
 
However, police officers are penalized by losing vacation days for mistakes in traffic court. I'm not sure whether there is a similar penalty for messing up parking tickets. 
 
Does anyone know? 
 
Thanks for your sharing your thought-provoking opinion, Lee. 
 
Best, 
Larry
Posted @ Tuesday, April 17, 2012 8:36 AM by Larry Berezin
This is the big problem. The city can issue bogus tickets, and if the unsuspecting motorist pays, then the city makes money. And if the motorist fights it, then the city doesn't loose anything. In fact, they are creating more jobs for themselves via traffic court. And if a motorist goes through the appeal process, then the city gets paid first and gets to use the money (interest) before they eventually pay it back to the motorist. The only loser here is the person that got the bogus ticket. It takes a tremendous amount of time and effort, as well as stress, fighting these phoney tickets. If the city were held accountable, then I believe they would make sure the warriors made fewer errors. As it is now, the city has no incentive to do this.
Posted @ Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:01 AM by Lee
Lee, 
 
I'm voting for you for Mayor of NYC. I agree with every lick of what you said. The big but is, in my humble opinion, this will never happen in NYC. 
 
The wacky world of NYC parking tickets is ruled by the DOF. The mission of the DOF is to raise major dineros by ticketing the NYC driving community.  
 
The Evil Empire is never going to penalize a warrior for trying because by chance, it may have a chilling effect on a warrior's frenzied efforts of issuing parking tickets. 
 
Great conversation. 
Thanks for taking your valuable to share your views.
Posted @ Tuesday, April 17, 2012 9:30 AM by Larry Berezin
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